Dear fellow pier 14 subscribers,
It's likely that in 2 to 3 weeks time our pier will be up and running using the new camera and filters. In the meantime as much of the outstanding jobs will continue to be collected, subject to the weather and the moon's position. We've recently received a lot of jobs back from our pier and these ought to be checked asap and any replacement data requested and added to the job queue.
What will happen to the existing list of our submissions I don't think has yet been mentioned. I'd like to see it cleared down just as soon as the existing setup is disabled. Assuming that this does happen then we will then be able to start to submit the new jobs based upon the revised fov.
I believe that now is a good time for us to start suggesting targets. We are effectively starting from scratch with a smaller fov but being able to use almost all of it without mis-shapen stars. For several individual targets a mosaic will now be necessary, so perhaps we can discuss what percentage overlap of the panels we should use.
The new joblist needs to keep the pier busy imaging from the start. Initially there may well be a short period during the night around the full moon when there will not be any narrowband jobs. I think we've all been made aware that future jobs will need to be continually added to the list, but maybe we should first concentrate on what is current and you would like to have.
One point that has been discussed on occasions but never given any backing is the number of hours submitted for a single job. With the change to how soon we have our data sent to us, that is the team no longer does a quick scan of the data beforehand, there will be many more instances of us having to submit a new job to replace bad subs.
For example, if you put in a job for 15 hours where there is a relatively short imaging window, then unless you get it back sooner, they'll not only be a shorter imaging window time remaining to collect the replacements, but there could be many more subs required.
With that recent change I personally think we should stick with a maximum recommended time for a single submission. It might be 8 to 10 hours as a range or 10 to 12 hours, plus a small tolerance.
This does not mean you can't go beyond that for your target, only that you'd need to split it into 2 or more jobs. If it involves broadband and narrowband filters then this might be a good way to split the job up. Personally I think that going beyond 20 to 24 hours needs to be discussed on the forum to let people know beforehand. Chances are you'll always get backing from other members of the Syndicate. It's not that you cannot submit whatever you like, it's simply being considerate to others.
I've rambled on for far too long as usual. Any thoughts, and all constructive criticism welcomed.
Cheers,
Ray
Ray
Roboscopes Guinea Pig
Good morning Manuel,
Looking forward to seeing what you have come up with and appreciate the effort you are putting in on this.
Just a suggestion. Maybe it would be a good idea when you share your plans to create a new post, titled something along the lines of 'Let's discuss mosaics'. At that time I may create one called 'Let's discuss targets' and re-post my original short list of single targets together with anything suggested in the meantime. I'm sure Mr Asbury :) has some good ideas.
I think re-posting my original post will help to tidy things up and make it quicker and easier to navigate. Together with your one on mosaics there ought to be plenty for us to discuss ahead of the completion of the pier.
Please do not take this seriously, although it does have one merit.
Perhaps a mega mosaic, once submitted we could take most of the year off and come back when it finishes. Suggestion appears below.
Good morning Ray,
Thanks a lot ... I am actually looking at a very similar mosaic setup ... Will share as soon as the plan is ready.
Cheers
Manuel
Manuel
Roboscopes General Technical
Phil,
On your private message, does £500 include one or both arms?
If a certain person goes on about future planning again, I might well take you up on the offer.
Cheers,
Ray
That just costs bacon and mushroom sandwich to be fair.
Phil McCauley
Roboscopes Website Admin
Thanks Phil,
Just sent a message to Manuel, not that I doubt you. :)
It may well be that at present I can send to everyone in the list of users I'm presented with. I have only sent to Manuel. This could be very involved and complicated, but is there a way for people to turn this off so that they don't receive messages from those they don't know. This could be a can of helminths.
Best regards,
Ray
This is where I come in. If you get messaged from anyone you don't want, I will fix it. and fix them.
Phil McCauley
Roboscopes Website Admin
Thanks Phil,
Just sent a message to Manuel, not that I doubt you. :)
It may well be that at present I can send to everyone in the list of users I'm presented with. I have only sent to Manuel. This could be very involved and complicated, but is there a way for people to turn this off so that they don't receive messages from those they don't know. This could be a can of helminths.
Best regards,
Ray
Ray
Roboscopes Guinea Pig
Just a thought :)
I could ask Phil about turning on the PM DM (direct message) in the forum so members can email behind the scenes. It may make life easier for certain things ?
Steve
member to member messages have always been turned on.
In the top menu theres a bit for 'conversations'
Phil McCauley
Roboscopes Website Admin
Good morning Manuel,
Looking forward to seeing what you have come up with and appreciate the effort you are putting in on this.
Just a suggestion. Maybe it would be a good idea when you share your plans to create a new post, titled something along the lines of 'Let's discuss mosaics'. At that time I may create one called 'Let's discuss targets' and re-post my original short list of single targets together with anything suggested in the meantime. I'm sure Mr Asbury :) has some good ideas.
I think re-posting my original post will help to tidy things up and make it quicker and easier to navigate. Together with your one on mosaics there ought to be plenty for us to discuss ahead of the completion of the pier.
Please do not take this seriously, although it does have one merit.
Perhaps a mega mosaic, once submitted we could take most of the year off and come back when it finishes. Suggestion appears below.
Just a thought :)
I could ask Phil about turning on the PM DM (direct message) in the forum so members can email behind the scenes. It may make life easier for certain things ?
Steve
Good morning Steve,
Yes, that would certainly help as well, many thanks!
One question: Is there a way to link e.g. an Excel file to a DM or to a forum post? The reason I am asking is that I am working on the plan and would wish others to review, verify and of course suggest changes. This would also allow the final plan to be available easily to anyone in the syndicate.
All the best
Manuel
Manuel
Roboscopes General Technical
Manuel,
Thanks for the suggestion let's see what Steve has to say.
Still living very much in the dark ages I'm afraid, no Facebook, Twitter, WhatsApp etc. and being frank but not wishing to appear rude, there is little interaction on the forum anyway, so I'm not sure you'll get the majority to join in. As a not so good alternative we could use email. If some others agree to doing this as an alternative to just using the forum, then I'll post my address.
Really appreciate your keenness,
Best wishes,
Ray (UK)
Manuel,
Thanks for the suggestion let's see what Steve has to say.
Still living very much in the dark ages I'm afraid, no Facebook, Twitter, WhatsApp etc. and being frank but not wishing to appear rude, there is little interaction on the forum anyway, so I'm not sure you'll get the majority to join in. As a not so good alternative we could use email. If some others agree to doing this as an alternative to just using the forum, then I'll post my address.
Really appreciate your keenness,
Best wishes,
Ray (UK)
Hmmm ... maybe the new modern rather than the dark ages!
Indeed, I noticed that ... a pitty I think, really. So, yes, lets go through email for now.
BTW, I am just one hour "ahead" in Switzerland ... so easy.
All the best
Manuel
Just a thought :)
I could ask Phil about turning on the PM DM (direct message) in the forum so members can email behind the scenes. It may make life easier for certain things ?
Steve
Please ignore my dylexia wherever possible, just be thankful I can control my Tourettes ;)
Things to do, so little time!
Steve
Roboscopes Tea Boy
Manuel,
Thanks for the suggestion let's see what Steve has to say.
Still living very much in the dark ages I'm afraid, no Facebook, Twitter, WhatsApp etc. and being frank but not wishing to appear rude, there is little interaction on the forum anyway, so I'm not sure you'll get the majority to join in. As a not so good alternative we could use email. If some others agree to doing this as an alternative to just using the forum, then I'll post my address.
Really appreciate your keenness,
Best wishes,
Ray (UK)
Manuel,
Thanks for the suggestion let's see what Steve has to say.
Still living very much in the dark ages I'm afraid, no Facebook, Twitter, WhatsApp etc. and being frank but not wishing to appear rude, there is little interaction on the forum anyway, so I'm not sure you'll get the majority to join in. As a not so good alternative we could use email. If some others agree to doing this as an alternative to just using the forum, then I'll post my address.
Really appreciate your keenness,
Best wishes,
Ray (UK)
Hmmm ... maybe the new modern rather than the dark ages!
Indeed, I noticed that ... a pitty I think, really. So, yes, lets go through email for now.
BTW, I am just one hour "ahead" in Switzerland ... so easy.
All the best
Manuel
Manuel
Roboscopes General Technical
Good morning/afternoon? Manuel,
That's really appreciated. :)
We just need to give it a couple of weeks to allow others the time to look all through this and post their suggestions and comments. After discussing these then this can be turned into a list of recommendations.
Best wishes,
Ray
Of course, let's see what others are saying and suggesting ...
Best wishes
Manuel
Manuel
Roboscopes General Technical
Regarding #4613:
Thanks for the reply Ray ... let's see what is possible regarding job prioritisation. ... For Steve to say.
Interactive discussions:
1. Indeed, availability and time zones are a barrier. One way to address this might be to have a fortnightly or monthly fixed point that people can join or not.
2. I am in Switzerland, i.e. GMT+1. email is manuelcp.astro@gmail.com and I can be reached by WhatsApp/Telegram on +4179 200 9148. Best is between 6pm and 8pm my time on weekdays ... if you want to chat.
Cheers
Manuel
Morning everyone (Just about)
As you all know prioritisation is on a scale of 1-4
0 = HA
1 = SII OIII
2 = RGB
3 = Luminance
4 = Comets (proposed test jobs)My suggestion would be to add a small test data set to Priority-4, this would make it the highest priority in the pier queue and moon avoidance parameters allowing it would do this before all other jobs.
I do have a couple of caveats to make however
- When a tester job is placed it must be stated in the notes section with the order that its a tester and state Priority-4
- test jobs should be short (2 hours or under)
- All priority jobs are discussed with other members prior to input - No exceptions
- Please please try to forward plan as it will really help with implementing this feature and save a backlog
- No moaning at us if priority jobs delay other work being captured although if it is used sensibly it should have very little impact on daily running of the pier in my opinion
Apart from that it should work fine and have no issues implementing this feature if you all want it, it may also work with re-inputs (bad subs) but I will have to have a think about that etc :)
Ps
My apologies for number 5 being so blunt but I have just spent over a month every clear evening behind the scenes tweaking our automated software to get it to do what I want (not easy) which was getting most jobs on p-14 finished in between a poor run of weather because a lot were in the same part of the sky and I don't really want to be doing that stress again any time soon.
Steve
All good for me!
Manuel
Roboscopes General Technical
Regarding #4613:
Thanks for the reply Ray ... let's see what is possible regarding job prioritisation. ... For Steve to say.
Interactive discussions:
1. Indeed, availability and time zones are a barrier. One way to address this might be to have a fortnightly or monthly fixed point that people can join or not.
2. I am in Switzerland, i.e. GMT+1. email is manuelcp.astro@gmail.com and I can be reached by WhatsApp/Telegram on +4179 200 9148. Best is between 6pm and 8pm my time on weekdays ... if you want to chat.
Cheers
Manuel
Morning everyone (Just about)
As you all know prioritisation is on a scale of 1-4
0 = HA
1 = SII OIII
2 = RGB
3 = Luminance
4 = Comets (proposed test jobs)
My suggestion would be to add a small test data set to Priority-4, this would make it the highest priority in the pier queue and moon avoidance parameters allowing it would do this before all other jobs.
I do have a couple of caveats to make however
Apart from that it should work fine and have no issues implementing this feature if you all want it, it may also work with re-inputs (bad subs) but I will have to have a think about that etc :)
Ps
My apologies for number 5 being so blunt but I have just spent over a month every clear evening behind the scenes tweaking our automated software to get it to do what I want (not easy) which was getting most jobs on p-14 finished in between a poor run of weather because a lot were in the same part of the sky and I don't really want to be doing that stress again any time soon.
Steve
Please ignore my dylexia wherever possible, just be thankful I can control my Tourettes ;)
Things to do, so little time!
Steve
Roboscopes Tea Boy
Manuel,
Thanks for the suggestion let's see what Steve has to say.
Still living very much in the dark ages I'm afraid, no Facebook, Twitter, WhatsApp etc. and being frank but not wishing to appear rude, there is little interaction on the forum anyway, so I'm not sure you'll get the majority to join in. As a not so good alternative we could use email. If some others agree to doing this as an alternative to just using the forum, then I'll post my address.
Really appreciate your keenness,
Best wishes,
Ray (UK)
Ray
Roboscopes Guinea Pig
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